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The Foreigner Rescue Scenario

Many have used what I like to call the ‘foreigner-rescue-scenario’ as the primary reason why Arcadia and other cities in the San Gabriel Valley will be essentially immune from the housing crash. I happen to disagree and would be remiss if I simply dismissed it without a closer examination.

When kool-aid drinkers state that prices will remain at these elevated levels because of foreigner involvement, they are making several assumptions. These include:

  1. Foreigners make up a fairly large percentage of the demographic
  2. Foreigners are able to purchase these overpriced properties
  3. Foreigners are willing to purchase these overpriced properties

Let’s take this one at a time. From the recent new business developments and general observations in the city’s changes, these foreigners are mostly Asians. According to the 2000 US Census, Asians made up 45.4% of Arcadia residents and out of that 45.4%, about ¾ of them are of Chinese decent. That is not to say other ethnicities aren’t involved, but since the Chinese own the largest piece of the foreigners-in-Arcadia pie, they will be the race of interest for this discussion.

Although the census reported that the median family income in 2000 was around $66k/yr, it doesn’t account for the any of foreign money that have been brought in from the countries of the far east. Since it’s almost impossible to obtain data on how much money we’re talking about, it’s difficult to gauge its effect. However, for this rescue scenario to be effective there must be enough foreigners to carry the entire weight of the cities properties. Since the Chinese only make up one-third of the total population, it doesn’t appear this conglomerate of dim-sum eaters and rice-rocker drivers have enough power to pull everyone through. And even if that is the case, it would require each and every one of them to be fairly wealthy to make that happen. Is it realistic to assume that all Chinese residents in Arcadia are rich? I think not and that conveniently leads to my second point.

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Even if these foreigners make up the majority of the population, they must be financially able to hold up the current market prices. People buy property in one of two ways. You can either purchase it in cash or take out a loan and pay a mortgage. I don’t know too many people with a million US dollars in cash, but I might just have a circle of poor acquaintances. Generally speaking, the majority of buyers (even Asian buyers) have a mortgage of some sort. With the crunchy credit crunch and tightening lending standards means borrowers must have some sort of downpayment and documented income to take out a loan. Fully documented income for a $800k loan would require a $200k/yr AGI. Even if the family income increased by 3%/year for inflation, it would only be $83/yr in 2008 and would finance a loan of about $350k. Many say there’s lots of Chinese money that isn’t taxed or recorded that can be used. Well, that would pose its own problem since the dirty money from China/Taiwan/Hong Kong isn’t documented, it leaves the only other option of putting down a larger cash downpayment.

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So that brings me to the third point – foreigners must be willing to purchase these properties. Are these Asians willing to put down large downpayment and/or make large mortgage payments on what is now widely known to be a depreciating asset for years to come? I can’t answer for them, but if I had wads of cash on hand I certainly won’t be putting it into the housing market any time soon. These people aren’t dumb. Asians are typically frugal, hardworking people and they can be quite the bargain hunters. Many bought because of the good Arcadia schools so their kids can have better opportunities than they did, but assuming that these people will buy property regardless of falling home prices and market trends is absolutely ridiculous.

Yes, the good schools and proximity to Asian businesses and friends is a plus, but the Chinese buyers that bought during the boom were also investors and fellow kool-aid drinkers. They too were promised never ending price appreciation and saw exactly that for the past few years. Now that things don’t look so good anymore, do you think they will simply ignore the pent up volume, price declines, housing crash news and continue to purchase property? I think not.

This has ended up to be a fairly lengthy post. Let’s recap. The ‘foreigner-rescue-scenario’ could be a reason why housing prices in Arcadia will not fall significantly regardless of widespread foreclosure, increasing volume and falling prices across the southland if and only if there are enough rich foreigners willing AND able to purchase the majority of many distressed properties that will come on the market over the next few years.

Personally, I don’t see that happening. Do you?

A Long Way To Go

271 Longley Way

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Asking Price $898,000 ::: Sq-ft 2,300
Purchased Price $850,000 ::: Lot Size 14,460
Purchased Date 02/28/2007 ::: Beds 3
Days on Redfin 86 ::: Baths 3
$/Sq-ft $390 ::: Year Built 1947
20% Downpayment $179,600 ::: Area Baldwin
Income Required $224,500/yr ::: Type SFR
Est. Payment* $4,540/month ::: MLS# W07176926

*Estimated monthly payment assume 20% down, 30-yr fixed @ 6.50%

This property looks like a flip that never happened and now the sellers are desperately trying to get out unscathed. In the description it says “seller have plans for approx. 800 sqft master 4th bedroom” so I assume the plan was to buy, put in addition and turn around to sell for profit. However, it must have took them a while to get the building permits because the credit crunch rocked the market soon after they bought it.

Purchase Price $850,000
Purchase Date 02/28/2007
1st Loan $680,000
2nd Loan $84,150
Downpayment $85,850
Mortgage $764,150

Listing History
12/15/07 $988,800
01/28/08 $948,000 (-$40,800, -4%)
02/15/08 $928,000 (-$20,000, -2%)
02/29/08 $898,000 (-$30,000, -3%)

So far there’s been almost $100,000 in price reduction yet that’s still less than 10% off the original listing price. These sellers, like so many we have seen, are reluctant to face the reality of the current market conditions and lower the price to move the property before it’s too late. The Redfin description ends with “Priced to sell” but that’s not a true statement. The property has been on the market for almost 3 months with 3 price reductions and still sitting there. That’s not pricing it to sell. That’s hanging on for dear life.

This property is also up for rent at Craigslist as well. At this point, the sellers have been making mortgage payments for a full year without any cash flow and it’s hurting. For sale or for rent, they’ll take either one. At $2600/month, this property’s gross-rent-multiplier GRM is 345. Rent savers typically jump in as buyers when GRMs are between 160-200. Using a GRM of 180, this property is approximately worth $2600 x 180 = $468,000 or about half of the current listing price.

You can either rent this for $2,600/month or buy it for $4,540/month plus any maintenance costs, insurance etc. Doesn’t seem like a tough decision for me. During the bubble I’ve heard of buyers insulting the seller when the offer was below the asking price. Oh have things have changed in just one year. At $898k, it’s roughly double what its worth so can this situation qualify as insulting the buyer? I would think so.

Fight the Nesting Instinct

The nesting instinct is typically characterized by the irrational behaviors of women during and after childbirth. Its symptoms are also common among newly-weds and young couples. This irrationality often entails purchasing a home with or without sound financial prudence. As a woman, I understand that and accept responsibility for the financial and/or emotional trauma our half of the species often cause those of you from Mars.

Instinct is hard to fight because well, it’s instinct. By definition, instinct is passed down to us by our forefathers (or foremothers I suppose) through thousands of years. Do not underestimate Mother Nature; it is a very powerful force. Those of you who are in a relationship may already know that. Don’t let the following happen to you.

While this isn’t an excuse, please try to understand. Women just want to be able to provide a warm, clean, safe and stable home for their children and family. That’s a normal and healthy goal. There’s nothing wrong with it if they don’t go outside of their financial comfort zone to do it.

There’s not a woman on this earth who wouldn’t like a home in a quiet neighborhood to raise her family. Not a single one. The problem arises if they want a monstrous 4000 sq-ft, 5 bed, 4 bath mansion when all they can afford is a 1200sqft 2 bed, 2 bath attached condominium. Unfortunately, some women can’t separate “safe and secure” from buying the biggest house they can get their hands on. Too many times have I seen the men in their lives succumb to their unjustified desires to buy more house than they can afford. The stress that financial instability can cause is often much more than a couple can withstand. I don’t wish that upon anyone.

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Here is where our other half comes into the picture. Generally speaking, men are more logical than women. Once guys are focused on one thing, their mind is locked in that compartment until that issue is resolved. Women on the other hand think in 3107 tangents – simultaneously. Generally speaking, men are rational problem solvers and women run on emotion. Of course there are exceptions and not all women are irrational, but I’ve seen happen more times than I can count.

A nest to raise the kids could be a comfortable condo or a large rental house. As a kid, I moved around more than you can ever imagine and trust me, kids don’t care whether the house they live in is purchased or leased. They do care if you’re too busy worrying about mortgage payments to play with them. Renting a place doesn’t mean you can’t make a home out of it. Home is eating dinner together as a family, doing crafts with the kids and watching a movie with your wife. You can do those things wherever you live. Buying more house than you can afford is much more financially straining than renting within your means. It’s also less stressful too which could do wonders for family time.

Most men don’t want to deal with the very tiring and emotional battle and just give in buying more home than they can afford. FIGHT THAT INSTINCT. Fight it, but don’t ignore or argue with her. Instead, try to reason with her and show her with realistic numbers why it makes sense to rent (or buy). She will appreciate the fact that you’re sharing your thoughts and working to provide a stable environment for your family.

Have a wonderful weekend.

Can’t See the Forest for the Trees

44 E. Forest Ave.

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Asking Price $1,350,000 ::: Sq-ft 2,200
Purchased Price $506,000 ::: Lot Size 7,570
Purchased Date 08/24/2005 ::: Beds 4
Days on Redfin 140 ::: Baths 2.75
$/Sq-ft $614 ::: Year Built 2007
20% Downpayment $270,000 ::: Area Santa Anita
Income Required $337,500/yr ::: Type SFR
Est. Payment* $6,825/month ::: MLS# W07152876

*Estimated monthly payment assume 20% down, 30-yr fixed @ 6.50%

brand new under construction…convenient location, near stores, shop & transportation…homes will be ready until early next year

Looks like these sellers listed the house last year before it was even completed. As it stands right now, this property has been on the market for well over 4 months and counting. The sellers are asking $614/sqft for a cookie cutter home on a triangle-shaped lot that literally backs right up to the Santa Anita on/off ramps off the 210 freeway. Wow, $1.35MM for this?!

These sellers obviously can’t see the forest for the trees. They’re so engulfed and consumed by their greed (or denial) that they’ve completed missed the mark. There is nothing in the market right now that points to a sale at the current asking price and things will only get worse for the next few years. Yet after almost 5 months on the market, they’ve held onto the $1,350,000 asking price tighter than ever. It’s a classic example of wishing thinking. Unfortunately, ignorance (at least in real estate) is not bliss.

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The price is definitely not right for this listing. I wouldn’t pay a third of the asking price for this property. You can change the way a house looks and feels, but you can’t changes it’s neighbors and location. It only has a neighbor one side, but you’d have to pay me to live here because the location is absolutely awful. The freeway noise itself would drive me batty. Would you consider living here if the price was right? What price would that be?

Carried Away with the House

705 Carriage House Dr.

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Asking Price $3,500,876 ::: Sq-ft 5,755
Purchased Price $1,953,500 ::: Lot Size 25,157
Purchased Date 07/24/2002 ::: Beds 5
Days on Redfin 4 ::: Baths 6.5
$/Sq-ft $608 ::: Year Built 2002
20% Downpayment $700,175 ::: Area SantaAnitaOaks
Income Required $875,219/yr ::: Type SFR
Est. Payment* $17,700/month ::: MLS# W08004196

*Estimated monthly payment assume 20% down, 30-yr fixed @ 6.50%

This beautiful property is located in the “exclusive guard-gated community of Anoakia Estates” up in the Santa Anita Oaks area. Too bad they want $3.50MM for it when they paid just $1.95MM five and a half years ago. That’s the same as making over $240k/yr after taxes except you didn’t have to do anything but maintain the property.

Purchase Price $1,953,500
Purchase Date 7/24/2002
1st Loan $1,300,000
Downpayment $653,500

HELOC Date 6/2/2005
HELOC Amt $550,000

Combined Mortgage $1,850,000

These folks actually put down a good size downpayment when they purchased the new home in 2002 for just under $2MM. Interest rates were low so 30-yr amortized monthly payments were probably manageable even for a loan of this magnitude for someone making about $400k/year. Fast forward 3 years and the banks were essentially giving out free money with artificially low rates and option loans so the owners pulled out a $550k HELOC based on the expectation of never ending double-digit growth.

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Fast forward another 3 years and their bubble finally popped. They realized that interest rates won’t stay low forever, banks aren’t giving away free money anymore and southern California real estate prices are going for a great big dip. Or perhaps their option loan HELOC rate reseted and they didn’t want to make those payments anymore. Either way, they’re looking to get out and make some good money while they’re at it.

If they get this mansion-sized asking price, they would make over $1.3MM after 6% commission. I understand certain communities, especially gated ones in the hills, normally command a slightly higher premium, but don’t you think $608/sqft is a bit extreme? Even if a move up buyer could put a whopping $700k down payment from their previous sale, they would have to make around $875k/yr and be able to make $18k/month mortgage payments (excluding property taxes, HOAs, maintenance etc). Oh yeah, and they have to prove that they actually make that much so dirty money doesn’t count.

Who’s ready and willing to put down $700k cash and take on $22k/month carrying costs for the next 30 years to own this house? Any takers?

Empty McMansion #6

619 Rosemarie Dr.

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Asking Price $1,280,000 ::: Sq-ft 3,150
Purchased Price $480,000 ::: Lot Size 7,440
Purchased Date 11/21/2003 ::: Beds 4
Days on Redfin 56 ::: Baths 4.5
$/Sq-ft $406 ::: Year Built 2007
20% Downpayment $256,000 ::: Area Baldwin Stocker
Income Required $320,000/yr ::: Type SFR
Est. Payment* $8,090/month ::: MLS# W08004196

*Estimated monthly payment assume 20% down, 30-yr fixed @ 6.50%

$1,280,000 (asking price) – 6% commission – $480,000 (purchase price) -$598,500 (construction costs @ $190/sqft) – $103,785 (carrying cost @ $2,035/month x 51 months) = approx. $21k profit

Purchase Price $480,000
Purchase Date 11/21/2003
1st Loan $322,000
Downpayment $158,000

This is as cookie-cutter and boring as it gets. Another custom home with granite this and granite that built on a postage stamp size lot. It even says right in the description that it’s “super-sized” so why did they overbuild this McMansion on such a small piece of land? The livable space is almost half the size of the entire lot.

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These sellers bought earlier in the game so they have a bigger cushion than the others we’ve profiled who didn’t get into the game until 2006. This house doesn’t seem to have as many lavish extras and the interior actually looks quite cheap so they probably had it built for under $225/sqft. I will assume construction costs of approximately $190/sqft.

Since this was purchased back in 2003 and isn’t considered a turnaround flip, they made many months of mortgage payments. Luckily for them, payments were just ~$2k/month so carrying costs didn’t kill them. However, they didn’t complete construction of this McMansion until the very end of 2007 and missed the golden period to get top dollar. At $406/sqft, it’s still a fairly high price, but at $1,280,000 it’s considerably cheaper than some of the other pricer McMansions we’ve profiled in this series.

They’ve held their ground with the asking price for 56 days, how many more days will they go before the first price reduction? Yes I say first because there could very well be multiple reductions before a transaction is made as more brand new McMansions come on the market. This concludes our series on Empty McMansions. I hope you’ve enjoyed the relevant property profiles and return for more schadenfreude as we continue to document the local real estate market.

Empty McMansion #5

333 E. Las Flores Ave.

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Asking Price $1,738,000 ::: Sq-ft 3,954
Purchased Price $788,000 ::: Lot Size 9,417
Purchased Date 08/23/2006 ::: Beds 5
Days on Redfin 32 ::: Baths 5.5
$/Sq-ft $440 ::: Year Built 2008
20% Downpayment $347,600 ::: Area Santa Anita
Income Required $434,500/yr ::: Type SFR
Est. Payment* $8,787/month ::: MLS# A08015473

*Estimated monthly payment assume 20% down, 30-yr fixed @ 6.50%

THIS MAGNIFICENT BRAND NEW CUSTOM BUILT ARCADIA ESTATE IS A SHOWCASE OF LUXURY, TOP QUALITY WITH EXQUISITE DESIGN AND IMPECCABLE CRAFTSMANSHIP. 5 SUITES, 2 DOWN STAIRS. MASTER SUITE HAS JACUZZI TUB, MAKE UP STATION AND UNIQUE BALCONY. GOURMET KITCHEN WITH SEPARATE WOK KITCHEN AND CENTER ISLAND. WET BAR IN FAMILY ROOM. ELEGANT HIGH CEILING ENTRY HAS CRYSTAL CHANDELIER. MANY MORE UNIQUE AMENITIES, TOO MANY TO LIST

Many realtors like to write in the extremely annoying ALL CAPS format and it just drives me bananas. I’m not a realtor so I don’t know the reasoning behind it, but I suspect that they think it’s attention grabbing. To me it’s just a pain to read because I feel like they’re screaming at me with a loudspeaker.

$1,738,000 (asking price) – 6% commission – $788,000 (purchase price) -$889,650 (construction costs @ $225.sqft) – $56,880 (carrying cost @ $3160/month x 18 months) = approx. -$100k in the red

Purchase Price $788,000
Purchase Date 08/23/2006
1st Loan $500,000
Downpayment $288,000

This is a self-declared “custom built Arcadia estate” so I ask the question, what makes a house custom and what makes it an estate? Is a non-track home floor plan enough to qualify as custom? Or does it require designer paint, a gourmet kitchen, pergo floors, berber carpet and other extras to make the cut. Also what makes an estate an estate? Dictionary.com says it’s “A landed property, usually of considerable size.”

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These are the images I get when I Google “estate” and this particular listing looks nothing like them. Maybe I’m too dense and missed it, but what “unique amenities” does this McMansion have over other McMansions? Is it the gourmet kitchen with center island or the unique balcony?

Here’s yet another flipper who bought during the height of the boom in 2006 and rebuilt this brand spanking new McMansion for profit losses. As some of our readers have pointed out, the seller may be more or less underwater depending on their financing options, construction costs and other factors. However, with the general assumptions above, they’re already $100,000 in the red if they manage to get their asking price at $440/sqft.

Over the past week and a half we’ve document flip after flip that took about one and a half years from the original purchase to its first listing of the finished house. That’s not exactly a quick turn around time and to add salt on the wound, these McMansions could be on the market for quite some time. Salt on the wound…ouch.