REO on Colorado for $265/sqft

307 E. Colorado Blvd.

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Asking Price $859,000 ::: Sq-ft 3,243
Purchased Price $1,088,000 ::: Lot Size 7,296
Purchased Date 11/14/2006 ::: Beds 5
Days on Redfin 4 ::: Baths 4
$/Sq-ft $265 ::: Year Built 1991
20% Downpayment $171,800 ::: Area Near Monrovia
Income Required $214,750/yr ::: Type SFR
Est. Payment* $4,343/month ::: MLS# 22106998

*Estimated monthly payment assume 20% down, 30-yr fixed @ 6.50%

Today’s profile is a prime example of how stupid lending practices create massive bubbles and thus massive losses. In this case, the bank takes the hit and the squatters get a dinged credit score. This was purchased in late 2006 with 100% financing for $1.088MM or $229,000 over its current asking price. Since this is a banked owned REO, the buyers probably stopped making payments 9 months to a year ago. They probably bought it as a flip, but saw the credit woes in the spring of 2007 and just decided to call it quits.

Purchase Price $1,088,000
Purchase Date 11/14/2006
1st Loan $850,000
2nd Loan $238,000
Downpayment $0

The second mortgage bagholder has suffered a 100% loss on this $238,000 loan. Can you see why the secondary mortgage industry is completely wiped out? How many of these 100% losses can a bank take before it goes under? When greed overpowers sound financial decisions, stupid ensues and people lose money.

This listing refers to the Highland area, but it’s actually just north of the 210 freeway between 2nd and 4th street. It’s actually borderline Monrovia. Being so close to the freeway, I would also imagine the noise to be quite loud during the silence of the night.

It is REOs like this that will inevitably pull the market down faster than you can spell foreclosure. With each bank-owned property that’s listed at lower and lower asking prices, the surround comps are forced to follow suite until the wave of price reductions make its way across the southland and find an equilibrium. If we are still in the early stages of the correction and already seeing $265/sqft from the bank, what will prices be like when we finally hit bottom in a few years? $250/sqft? $225/sqft? $200/sqft? Under $200/sqft?

Empty McMansion #7

1800 Lee Ave.

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Asking Price $1,658,000 ::: Sq-ft 5,000
Purchased Price $758,000 ::: Lot Size 10,500
Purchased Date 10/21/2005 ::: Beds 4
Days on Redfin 3 ::: Baths 4.5
$/Sq-ft $332 ::: Year Built 2008
20% Downpayment $331,600 ::: Area Santa Anita
Income Required $414,500/yr ::: Type SFR
Est. Payment* $8,383/month ::: MLS# W08035337

*Estimated monthly payment assume 20% down, 30-yr fixed @ 6.50%

Brand New home in a quiet cul-de-sac, great curb appeal, 4 spacious bedroom suits, (two upstairs, two downstairs), 4.5 baths, family room overlooking backyard, upstairs tatami room and 2nd family room (or den), high ceiling, grand entry, kitchen with two refrigerators and all stainless steel applicance, butler pantry, bamboo floors throughout, finished garage can be used as gym, two A/C units, Arcadia schools, A must see!

Last week we wrapped up our mini-series on Empty McMansions. Just a week later I see yet another brand new 2008 construction up for sale. This one is a 5000 sqft monster asking for a mere $1,658,000 in this bustling RE market. Interestingly enough, this new construction is of a different style and looks nothing like the other Spanish-Mediterranean style homes that have become so common for these types of projects.

I’ve been looking at the picture for a few minutes now and cannot figure out how a car is suppose to get in and out of that garage. In the description it says “finished garage can be used as a gym” so if it’s not convenient for vehicles to be parked in the so called garage, why even call it a garage? Just call it a gym and put in a real wall instead of a garage door. From the overhead view on Redfin, the lot is an odd triangle shape and the framing of the house appears to be built out almost to the edge.

The asking price is $1,658,000 for this new construction. A buyer purchasing this would need almost a third of a million dollars for a 20% downpayment and make over $400,000/yr to pay carrying costs of roughly $12,000/month that include the mortgage payment, insurance, maintenance and property tax.  What percentage of the population is able and willing to take on this property at the current asking price? Who is this seller fooling? Potential buyers or himself?

The Foreigner Rescue Scenario

Many have used what I like to call the ‘foreigner-rescue-scenario’ as the primary reason why Arcadia and other cities in the San Gabriel Valley will be essentially immune from the housing crash. I happen to disagree and would be remiss if I simply dismissed it without a closer examination.

When kool-aid drinkers state that prices will remain at these elevated levels because of foreigner involvement, they are making several assumptions. These include:

  1. Foreigners make up a fairly large percentage of the demographic
  2. Foreigners are able to purchase these overpriced properties
  3. Foreigners are willing to purchase these overpriced properties

Let’s take this one at a time. From the recent new business developments and general observations in the city’s changes, these foreigners are mostly Asians. According to the 2000 US Census, Asians made up 45.4% of Arcadia residents and out of that 45.4%, about ¾ of them are of Chinese decent. That is not to say other ethnicities aren’t involved, but since the Chinese own the largest piece of the foreigners-in-Arcadia pie, they will be the race of interest for this discussion.

Although the census reported that the median family income in 2000 was around $66k/yr, it doesn’t account for the any of foreign money that have been brought in from the countries of the far east. Since it’s almost impossible to obtain data on how much money we’re talking about, it’s difficult to gauge its effect. However, for this rescue scenario to be effective there must be enough foreigners to carry the entire weight of the cities properties. Since the Chinese only make up one-third of the total population, it doesn’t appear this conglomerate of dim-sum eaters and rice-rocker drivers have enough power to pull everyone through. And even if that is the case, it would require each and every one of them to be fairly wealthy to make that happen. Is it realistic to assume that all Chinese residents in Arcadia are rich? I think not and that conveniently leads to my second point.

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Even if these foreigners make up the majority of the population, they must be financially able to hold up the current market prices. People buy property in one of two ways. You can either purchase it in cash or take out a loan and pay a mortgage. I don’t know too many people with a million US dollars in cash, but I might just have a circle of poor acquaintances. Generally speaking, the majority of buyers (even Asian buyers) have a mortgage of some sort. With the crunchy credit crunch and tightening lending standards means borrowers must have some sort of downpayment and documented income to take out a loan. Fully documented income for a $800k loan would require a $200k/yr AGI. Even if the family income increased by 3%/year for inflation, it would only be $83/yr in 2008 and would finance a loan of about $350k. Many say there’s lots of Chinese money that isn’t taxed or recorded that can be used. Well, that would pose its own problem since the dirty money from China/Taiwan/Hong Kong isn’t documented, it leaves the only other option of putting down a larger cash downpayment.

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So that brings me to the third point – foreigners must be willing to purchase these properties. Are these Asians willing to put down large downpayment and/or make large mortgage payments on what is now widely known to be a depreciating asset for years to come? I can’t answer for them, but if I had wads of cash on hand I certainly won’t be putting it into the housing market any time soon. These people aren’t dumb. Asians are typically frugal, hardworking people and they can be quite the bargain hunters. Many bought because of the good Arcadia schools so their kids can have better opportunities than they did, but assuming that these people will buy property regardless of falling home prices and market trends is absolutely ridiculous.

Yes, the good schools and proximity to Asian businesses and friends is a plus, but the Chinese buyers that bought during the boom were also investors and fellow kool-aid drinkers. They too were promised never ending price appreciation and saw exactly that for the past few years. Now that things don’t look so good anymore, do you think they will simply ignore the pent up volume, price declines, housing crash news and continue to purchase property? I think not.

This has ended up to be a fairly lengthy post. Let’s recap. The ‘foreigner-rescue-scenario’ could be a reason why housing prices in Arcadia will not fall significantly regardless of widespread foreclosure, increasing volume and falling prices across the southland if and only if there are enough rich foreigners willing AND able to purchase the majority of many distressed properties that will come on the market over the next few years.

Personally, I don’t see that happening. Do you?

A Long Way To Go

271 Longley Way

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Asking Price $898,000 ::: Sq-ft 2,300
Purchased Price $850,000 ::: Lot Size 14,460
Purchased Date 02/28/2007 ::: Beds 3
Days on Redfin 86 ::: Baths 3
$/Sq-ft $390 ::: Year Built 1947
20% Downpayment $179,600 ::: Area Baldwin
Income Required $224,500/yr ::: Type SFR
Est. Payment* $4,540/month ::: MLS# W07176926

*Estimated monthly payment assume 20% down, 30-yr fixed @ 6.50%

This property looks like a flip that never happened and now the sellers are desperately trying to get out unscathed. In the description it says “seller have plans for approx. 800 sqft master 4th bedroom” so I assume the plan was to buy, put in addition and turn around to sell for profit. However, it must have took them a while to get the building permits because the credit crunch rocked the market soon after they bought it.

Purchase Price $850,000
Purchase Date 02/28/2007
1st Loan $680,000
2nd Loan $84,150
Downpayment $85,850
Mortgage $764,150

Listing History
12/15/07 $988,800
01/28/08 $948,000 (-$40,800, -4%)
02/15/08 $928,000 (-$20,000, -2%)
02/29/08 $898,000 (-$30,000, -3%)

So far there’s been almost $100,000 in price reduction yet that’s still less than 10% off the original listing price. These sellers, like so many we have seen, are reluctant to face the reality of the current market conditions and lower the price to move the property before it’s too late. The Redfin description ends with “Priced to sell” but that’s not a true statement. The property has been on the market for almost 3 months with 3 price reductions and still sitting there. That’s not pricing it to sell. That’s hanging on for dear life.

This property is also up for rent at Craigslist as well. At this point, the sellers have been making mortgage payments for a full year without any cash flow and it’s hurting. For sale or for rent, they’ll take either one. At $2600/month, this property’s gross-rent-multiplier GRM is 345. Rent savers typically jump in as buyers when GRMs are between 160-200. Using a GRM of 180, this property is approximately worth $2600 x 180 = $468,000 or about half of the current listing price.

You can either rent this for $2,600/month or buy it for $4,540/month plus any maintenance costs, insurance etc. Doesn’t seem like a tough decision for me. During the bubble I’ve heard of buyers insulting the seller when the offer was below the asking price. Oh have things have changed in just one year. At $898k, it’s roughly double what its worth so can this situation qualify as insulting the buyer? I would think so.

Inventory and Market Report – 3/7/08

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Current Market Listings as of March 7, 2008
Properties for Sale: 200 (-63)*
Median Listing Price: $758,000 (-2.7%)*

Median Sales Price for Homes in Arcadia
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Weekly Foreclosure Update
Properties in Foreclosure: 14 (+0)*
Properties in Pre-Foreclosure:64 (+3)*
*+/- is compared to previous week’s data.

Interestingly enough, 63 Arcadia homes came off the market this week. How many of these were sales, de-listings or returned to the bank? I’ll be tracking this data as the figures come in.

A year ago people were saying that desirable cities like Irvine were immune to a significant decline in real estate values. Despite a bursting of the housing and credit bubble, higher family incomes and the influx of Asians would ultimately save that region of Southern California.

Readers of Irvine Housing Blog already know that this isn’t true and Irvine real estate is now bleeding from a stockpile of unsold homes and increasing foreclosures all throughout Orange County.

If last week’s series on empty McMansions was any indication, Arcadia will undoubtedly follow in Irvine’s footsteps as sellers begin realizing that their homes are being priced at ridiculous levels.

Property and foreclosure numbers obtained from U.S. Census, ZipRealty, Trulia, Yahoo Real Estate and Foreclosure.com. Market listings obtained from DataQuick News.

Fight the Nesting Instinct

The nesting instinct is typically characterized by the irrational behaviors of women during and after childbirth. Its symptoms are also common among newly-weds and young couples. This irrationality often entails purchasing a home with or without sound financial prudence. As a woman, I understand that and accept responsibility for the financial and/or emotional trauma our half of the species often cause those of you from Mars.

Instinct is hard to fight because well, it’s instinct. By definition, instinct is passed down to us by our forefathers (or foremothers I suppose) through thousands of years. Do not underestimate Mother Nature; it is a very powerful force. Those of you who are in a relationship may already know that. Don’t let the following happen to you.

While this isn’t an excuse, please try to understand. Women just want to be able to provide a warm, clean, safe and stable home for their children and family. That’s a normal and healthy goal. There’s nothing wrong with it if they don’t go outside of their financial comfort zone to do it.

There’s not a woman on this earth who wouldn’t like a home in a quiet neighborhood to raise her family. Not a single one. The problem arises if they want a monstrous 4000 sq-ft, 5 bed, 4 bath mansion when all they can afford is a 1200sqft 2 bed, 2 bath attached condominium. Unfortunately, some women can’t separate “safe and secure” from buying the biggest house they can get their hands on. Too many times have I seen the men in their lives succumb to their unjustified desires to buy more house than they can afford. The stress that financial instability can cause is often much more than a couple can withstand. I don’t wish that upon anyone.

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Here is where our other half comes into the picture. Generally speaking, men are more logical than women. Once guys are focused on one thing, their mind is locked in that compartment until that issue is resolved. Women on the other hand think in 3107 tangents – simultaneously. Generally speaking, men are rational problem solvers and women run on emotion. Of course there are exceptions and not all women are irrational, but I’ve seen happen more times than I can count.

A nest to raise the kids could be a comfortable condo or a large rental house. As a kid, I moved around more than you can ever imagine and trust me, kids don’t care whether the house they live in is purchased or leased. They do care if you’re too busy worrying about mortgage payments to play with them. Renting a place doesn’t mean you can’t make a home out of it. Home is eating dinner together as a family, doing crafts with the kids and watching a movie with your wife. You can do those things wherever you live. Buying more house than you can afford is much more financially straining than renting within your means. It’s also less stressful too which could do wonders for family time.

Most men don’t want to deal with the very tiring and emotional battle and just give in buying more home than they can afford. FIGHT THAT INSTINCT. Fight it, but don’t ignore or argue with her. Instead, try to reason with her and show her with realistic numbers why it makes sense to rent (or buy). She will appreciate the fact that you’re sharing your thoughts and working to provide a stable environment for your family.

Have a wonderful weekend.

Can’t See the Forest for the Trees

44 E. Forest Ave.

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Asking Price $1,350,000 ::: Sq-ft 2,200
Purchased Price $506,000 ::: Lot Size 7,570
Purchased Date 08/24/2005 ::: Beds 4
Days on Redfin 140 ::: Baths 2.75
$/Sq-ft $614 ::: Year Built 2007
20% Downpayment $270,000 ::: Area Santa Anita
Income Required $337,500/yr ::: Type SFR
Est. Payment* $6,825/month ::: MLS# W07152876

*Estimated monthly payment assume 20% down, 30-yr fixed @ 6.50%

brand new under construction…convenient location, near stores, shop & transportation…homes will be ready until early next year

Looks like these sellers listed the house last year before it was even completed. As it stands right now, this property has been on the market for well over 4 months and counting. The sellers are asking $614/sqft for a cookie cutter home on a triangle-shaped lot that literally backs right up to the Santa Anita on/off ramps off the 210 freeway. Wow, $1.35MM for this?!

These sellers obviously can’t see the forest for the trees. They’re so engulfed and consumed by their greed (or denial) that they’ve completed missed the mark. There is nothing in the market right now that points to a sale at the current asking price and things will only get worse for the next few years. Yet after almost 5 months on the market, they’ve held onto the $1,350,000 asking price tighter than ever. It’s a classic example of wishing thinking. Unfortunately, ignorance (at least in real estate) is not bliss.

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The price is definitely not right for this listing. I wouldn’t pay a third of the asking price for this property. You can change the way a house looks and feels, but you can’t changes it’s neighbors and location. It only has a neighbor one side, but you’d have to pay me to live here because the location is absolutely awful. The freeway noise itself would drive me batty. Would you consider living here if the price was right? What price would that be?

Tracking the Arcadia and San Gabriel Valley Housing Market